
Interview with Rabbi Daniel Schonbuch, M.A.
Author of "First Aid For Jewish Marriages"
Why did you write “First Aid For Jewish Marriages”?
I wrote first-aid for Jewish marriages because I was concerned about growing rate of divorce and the Orthodox Jewish community. You know 20-30 years ago, divorce was an unheard word in the Orthodox community. Now almost every day I hear a story about someone getting divorced. And it's not just about people I don't know if someone in Shoal with someone unity and even be somebody as close as a cousin.
So why do you think people are getting divorced at an increasing rate?
To be given with the national divorce rate is above 50%. These are alarming statistics. This means that one in two couples are getting divorced in America today. Of course the numbers in the Frum community are much lower. However, this doesn't mean that we are not affected by the national trends. Just look at the teens at risk issue that blew up about 15 years ago. Why did that happen then? And, why is divorce speeding up now? I think the answer is at the Frum community is approximately a generation behind American society. When we spot a trend happening out there, look out, it's possible that it creeps up and we will begin to see here in.
I believe that the number one reason why people get divorced is the lack of commitment. In First Aid For Jewish Marriages, I quote a Utah study that asked divorced couples and why their marriages ended. 87% of the participants answered “lack of commitment" as the number one reason they got divorced. That statistic is astonishing. One would think that other factors are causing divorce like too much conflict and arguing getting in the way, financial problems and so on. However the findings revealed that Utahans who experienced divorce perceive that a lack of commitment was the number one factor contributing to their divorce.
There are several reasons why people are having trouble staying committed to their relationships. One reason I believe is what I call "hyper individualism" that is rampant in our society. We're living in a time where we have too many choices. Affluence has not created the kind of happiness that breeds healthy relationships. It's part of our "throwaway culture" where objects and people are disposed if they don't meet our immediate needs.
Another reason is the Internet. Within a few years the Internet has changed not only the way we work and gather information, but also the way we think and feel. An entire generation has now been raised to get immediate answers on Google. Google takes about a 10th of a second to respond; people are much slower. We expect that we can Google our spouses to meet our every need. But they can't, they’re only human. Marriage is really about giving and being patient with one another. That's why the root of the word Ahavah is "hav," which means to give, not to take. So divorce is mainly based upon attitude towards commitment and is a topic that I address many times in First Aid For Jewish Marriages.
I wrote first-aid for Jewish marriages because I was concerned about growing rate of divorce and the Orthodox Jewish community. You know 20-30 years ago, divorce was an unheard word in the Orthodox community. Now almost every day I hear a story about someone getting divorced. And it's not just about people I don't know if someone in Shoal with someone unity and even be somebody as close as a cousin.
So why do you think people are getting divorced at an increasing rate?
To be given with the national divorce rate is above 50%. These are alarming statistics. This means that one in two couples are getting divorced in America today. Of course the numbers in the Frum community are much lower. However, this doesn't mean that we are not affected by the national trends. Just look at the teens at risk issue that blew up about 15 years ago. Why did that happen then? And, why is divorce speeding up now? I think the answer is at the Frum community is approximately a generation behind American society. When we spot a trend happening out there, look out, it's possible that it creeps up and we will begin to see here in.
I believe that the number one reason why people get divorced is the lack of commitment. In First Aid For Jewish Marriages, I quote a Utah study that asked divorced couples and why their marriages ended. 87% of the participants answered “lack of commitment" as the number one reason they got divorced. That statistic is astonishing. One would think that other factors are causing divorce like too much conflict and arguing getting in the way, financial problems and so on. However the findings revealed that Utahans who experienced divorce perceive that a lack of commitment was the number one factor contributing to their divorce.
There are several reasons why people are having trouble staying committed to their relationships. One reason I believe is what I call "hyper individualism" that is rampant in our society. We're living in a time where we have too many choices. Affluence has not created the kind of happiness that breeds healthy relationships. It's part of our "throwaway culture" where objects and people are disposed if they don't meet our immediate needs.
Another reason is the Internet. Within a few years the Internet has changed not only the way we work and gather information, but also the way we think and feel. An entire generation has now been raised to get immediate answers on Google. Google takes about a 10th of a second to respond; people are much slower. We expect that we can Google our spouses to meet our every need. But they can't, they’re only human. Marriage is really about giving and being patient with one another. That's why the root of the word Ahavah is "hav," which means to give, not to take. So divorce is mainly based upon attitude towards commitment and is a topic that I address many times in First Aid For Jewish Marriages.
What are some of the practical things couples can do to improve their marriages?
Depending on the problem, I generally prescribed a strategy called the 4 C's. They are: Connection, Communication, reducing Control, and Conflict resolution. I believe that most problems can be traced to one of these four areas.
The first place to start is looking at your level of connection. I can give all kinds of techniques and strategies on how communicate better with one's spouse, but that is secondary to having a loving attitude during times when a couple is not in conflict. The question then becomes, what are couples doing when they are not fighting?
It's crucial to connect to one another and build the relationship with acts of caring and concern for one another. This can happen on two levels: First, couples need to learn about each other's inner worlds, their likes and dislikes, how they like to be cared for, the levels of self-esteem, unique points and how much control they need in their marriage.
The second level is spending quality time together. In today's demanding world it's very difficult to schedule time together. And even when couples go out, they spend countless minutes on their cell-phones or Blackberries. So I suggest that couples make weekly dates with themselves, turn off their phones, and go out and have a good time. And don't mean that they have to spend a lot of money going to expensive restaurants. What I do mean is that they need to start talking to one another they can do this by taking a walk, shopping together, or just spending a few moments alone a quiet area of the house.
During their quality time, the most important thing is to not rehash old arguments and difficulties. The goal is to focus on one another, share appreciations, new information and their hopes and dreams for the future. I guarantee that most couples who can do this at least once a week for an hour will have a better marriage. It will also give the overall positive affect that will reduce conflict and moderate harsher feelings from emerging during moments of stress.
What about communication?
Once you have the right attitude, communication is a next step to building your marriage. It can be broken down into two main components: listening and expressing your feelings in non-critical fashion. The first step is called active listening. This means that before you speak you listen attentively to your spouse’s words. Some couples have a tendency to try to problem solve when their spouse presents a problem, but it's best not to. Give them your full attention and don't interrupt them when they are speaking. Reflects off their words, mirror back to them what they’re saying. The goal is to validate their feelings and emotions and make them feel that they're exists somebody in their lives can turn to. Most importantly, stop trying to trouble-shoot for your spouse. Men have a tendency to do so when their wives are complaining. I counsel husband to validate their wife’s feelings and here the messages beyond their words.
The second step is learning howto use the right kind of words to explain what you want and how you feel. It means learning how to express yourself in a kind way without hurting the other person's feelings.
To make the job easier I created something called the “10 Commandments of Communication,” and they're very simple. On one tablet are the Thou Shalts, on the other tablet are the Thou Shalts Nots. The Thou Shalts are: complement, be compassionate, empathize, validate, nurture and listen. The Thou Shalts Nots are to not: insult, judge, blame, insinuate, and criticize. I asked couples to follow these commandments as much as they are careful to follow Halacha. They need to make a Cheshbon Nefesh to see how they are doing. I ask them to analyze their words and see if they are friendly compassionate, and understanding. Or, are they critical, aggressive, insulting, or belittling?
If the overall tone of your conversation is angry and critical then you are transgressing the Thou Shalt Nots. If you are using affirmative and encouraging words then you are fulfilling positive emotional "mitzvos" for one another. The most important dynamic is to maintain an inner message that says "I love you and care about you, and I want to deepen our relationship." When you begin with the right intention, you'll have a greater chance of using words that bring happiness in your marriage.
Over the last years the media has covered the issue of control and domestic abuse what's your opinion on the matter?
Well for one, as director of shalom task force, I can say unequivocally, that domestic abuse exists in the Jewish community. It's a sad fact, but abusive behavior exists throughout all cultures and races and religion.
Domestic abuse however is at one end of the spectrum. There are many grey areas which all focus on the issue of control and controlling behavior. Rabbi Abraham Twersky M.D. wrote an en tire book on the topic called “Successful Relationships: At Home, and at Work, and with Friends: Bringing Control Issues Under Control. He explains that everyone may have the need to wield control, and that there are many relationships may indeed require control. Exceeding and acceptable amount of control invites trouble.
The point being that in every relationship there are various levels of control. Sometimes you see one spouse having more control over finances and other times you see someone making all decisions in terms of what their kids do during and after school. In either case, the most important thing to do is to not yield total control. Marriage is a partnership and both sides need to have input into critical family decisions. It's important to receive each other's influence and even if you make decisions by yourself to carefully think about what the other person wants and needs. The overall principle is that less control and more focus on the relationship equals a healthy marriage; more control and less focus on the relationship equals an unhealthy marriage. I counsel couples to reduce controlling behavior and strive for a greater sense of mutuality in the match.
How can couples resolve their conflicts?
Depending on the problem, I generally prescribed a strategy called the 4 C's. They are: Connection, Communication, reducing Control, and Conflict resolution. I believe that most problems can be traced to one of these four areas.
The first place to start is looking at your level of connection. I can give all kinds of techniques and strategies on how communicate better with one's spouse, but that is secondary to having a loving attitude during times when a couple is not in conflict. The question then becomes, what are couples doing when they are not fighting?
It's crucial to connect to one another and build the relationship with acts of caring and concern for one another. This can happen on two levels: First, couples need to learn about each other's inner worlds, their likes and dislikes, how they like to be cared for, the levels of self-esteem, unique points and how much control they need in their marriage.
The second level is spending quality time together. In today's demanding world it's very difficult to schedule time together. And even when couples go out, they spend countless minutes on their cell-phones or Blackberries. So I suggest that couples make weekly dates with themselves, turn off their phones, and go out and have a good time. And don't mean that they have to spend a lot of money going to expensive restaurants. What I do mean is that they need to start talking to one another they can do this by taking a walk, shopping together, or just spending a few moments alone a quiet area of the house.
During their quality time, the most important thing is to not rehash old arguments and difficulties. The goal is to focus on one another, share appreciations, new information and their hopes and dreams for the future. I guarantee that most couples who can do this at least once a week for an hour will have a better marriage. It will also give the overall positive affect that will reduce conflict and moderate harsher feelings from emerging during moments of stress.
What about communication?
Once you have the right attitude, communication is a next step to building your marriage. It can be broken down into two main components: listening and expressing your feelings in non-critical fashion. The first step is called active listening. This means that before you speak you listen attentively to your spouse’s words. Some couples have a tendency to try to problem solve when their spouse presents a problem, but it's best not to. Give them your full attention and don't interrupt them when they are speaking. Reflects off their words, mirror back to them what they’re saying. The goal is to validate their feelings and emotions and make them feel that they're exists somebody in their lives can turn to. Most importantly, stop trying to trouble-shoot for your spouse. Men have a tendency to do so when their wives are complaining. I counsel husband to validate their wife’s feelings and here the messages beyond their words.
The second step is learning howto use the right kind of words to explain what you want and how you feel. It means learning how to express yourself in a kind way without hurting the other person's feelings.
To make the job easier I created something called the “10 Commandments of Communication,” and they're very simple. On one tablet are the Thou Shalts, on the other tablet are the Thou Shalts Nots. The Thou Shalts are: complement, be compassionate, empathize, validate, nurture and listen. The Thou Shalts Nots are to not: insult, judge, blame, insinuate, and criticize. I asked couples to follow these commandments as much as they are careful to follow Halacha. They need to make a Cheshbon Nefesh to see how they are doing. I ask them to analyze their words and see if they are friendly compassionate, and understanding. Or, are they critical, aggressive, insulting, or belittling?
If the overall tone of your conversation is angry and critical then you are transgressing the Thou Shalt Nots. If you are using affirmative and encouraging words then you are fulfilling positive emotional "mitzvos" for one another. The most important dynamic is to maintain an inner message that says "I love you and care about you, and I want to deepen our relationship." When you begin with the right intention, you'll have a greater chance of using words that bring happiness in your marriage.
Over the last years the media has covered the issue of control and domestic abuse what's your opinion on the matter?
Well for one, as director of shalom task force, I can say unequivocally, that domestic abuse exists in the Jewish community. It's a sad fact, but abusive behavior exists throughout all cultures and races and religion.
Domestic abuse however is at one end of the spectrum. There are many grey areas which all focus on the issue of control and controlling behavior. Rabbi Abraham Twersky M.D. wrote an en tire book on the topic called “Successful Relationships: At Home, and at Work, and with Friends: Bringing Control Issues Under Control. He explains that everyone may have the need to wield control, and that there are many relationships may indeed require control. Exceeding and acceptable amount of control invites trouble.
The point being that in every relationship there are various levels of control. Sometimes you see one spouse having more control over finances and other times you see someone making all decisions in terms of what their kids do during and after school. In either case, the most important thing to do is to not yield total control. Marriage is a partnership and both sides need to have input into critical family decisions. It's important to receive each other's influence and even if you make decisions by yourself to carefully think about what the other person wants and needs. The overall principle is that less control and more focus on the relationship equals a healthy marriage; more control and less focus on the relationship equals an unhealthy marriage. I counsel couples to reduce controlling behavior and strive for a greater sense of mutuality in the match.
How can couples resolve their conflicts?
This is an area where I spend most of my time helping couples in marriage counseling.
According to Dr. John Gottman, a leading researcher on marriages today in America, most couples have what he calls “perpetual conflicts.” That means that they argue about the same things over and over again.
There are two strategies to get over this. The first is to realize that people maintain various styles of negotiation. One style is called competitive and the attitude is win/lose. It's a zero sum game. They want have to be in control all the time and are always competing with a partner.
Another style is avoidance. This is usually adopted by people who have low self-esteem. They find it hard to assert themselves and tend to run away from their feelings and often get taken advantage of and relationships. They tend to maintain a lose/win attitude to survive.
The highest style of communication is compromising. This is done by making exchanges concessions and bargaining to come up with a compromise solution both parties agree to. There's no question that a compromising style creates a foundation for a successful marriage. Compromise means allowing for things to get in the way of your ideal daily life for the sake of relationship.
Here is where I spend a lot of time. I can spend several sessions working with couples to help them reduce their defenses, to see the other person's perspective and learn how to compromise. It's not always an easy thing to do but it's key to developing a happy and successful marriage.
What can community leaders and rabbis do to help marriages?
They can all play a major role in rectifying the problems today. Firstly, rabbis need to encourage young couples to take a pre-marriage relationship courses like a Shalom Workshop at www.shalomworkshop.org. It's a fantastic new program that teaches couples how to communicate express their feelings and resolve conflict peacefully.
The next step is for Rabbis to learn more about the inner dynamics of marriages. Don't forget, often rabbis are the first person someone turns to when they are in distress. Therefore they need to learn about the basic issues affecting marriage like control, communication, and relationship building. Not every issue necessitates speaking to a therapist. In my book, I explain to everyone, from therapists down to lay people, what are the keys to marriage. I also give practical advice on how to build successful marriages. Rabbis would benefit from learning about my techniques and incorporating them in their pastoral counseling with their constituents.
Rabbi Daniel Schonbuch, M.A., is author of First Aid For Jewish Marriages.
Rabbi Schonbuch is a Marriage and Family Counselor and maintains a practice in Brooklyn, specializing in marriage counseling and families with teens at risk.





